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control. of. the seven year solitude of wiki leaks founder julian assange came to an abrupt end today british police officers hauled him out of the ecuadorian embassy and extradition to the united states on conspiracy charges seems almost certain and with that the stakes just got higher for press and internet freedom and one about the us president now when he ran for the white house donald trump said he loved wiki leaks today he said i know nothing about wiki leaks i'm berlin this is the day. no one is above that all julian assange is now here and is asylum is unsustainable
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i'm no longer. i'm pleased that president moreno has taken this decision and i extend the new case thanks to him for resolving this situation he's hidden from the truthful he is and he is. like. he said the flies too long for his belief in freedom of speech mr song will now how people approach is to contest the charge against him in open court he wants to thank all of his supporters today ongoing support and he said i told you so. also coming up tonight the biggest act of democracy at the ballot box in human history is now underway nine hundred million people are eligible to vote in india the first time the first time and this is a very good experience my life and i'm very excited to get there is that yeah i'm
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voting since. the not been doing that that they're going to do every day. because it is my right you know i. am happy to be a part of this democracy and that it should continue yet after the. b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day asking what will tomorrow bring for julian a songe and the rest of us today in london the wiki leaks founder was hauled out of the ecuadorian embassy the small piece of real estate that had been his home for seven years and songes future is unclear tonight but we know he is wanted in the u.s. on conspiracy charges and could be extradited but the fate of a song's could have a chilling impact on journalism freedom and on internet freedom as we know them today just try to answer these questions with a simple yes or no is wiki leaks a media outlet is julian a songe
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a publisher and what about the trump administration's view when secretary of state might pump aoe was head of the cia he said wiki leaks was a nonstate hostile intelligence service aided by russia president trump has often praised wiki leaks today he told reporters he doesn't know really what we. are coverage begins tonight in london. a weary looking a songe finally leaves the embassy where he's been holed up for the past seven years this video shot by ruptly part of the broadcaster russia today. is the standoff began in twenty ten when he was accused of rape and molestation by two women after a conference in sweden that senior has wiki leaks website a whistle blowing platform became a household name after it circulated footage of an american air strike in baghdad
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the attack killed two journalists the video appeared to show troops firing an unarmed man and washington was investigating the leaks when sweden issued an arrest warrant for the alleged sex crimes a songe surrendered to police in london and was granted bail. the following year a british court ruled he should be extradited to sweden but a songe feared this would be used as a pretext to extradite him to the us. i have not been charged with any crime in any country. despite the european arrest for its third restrictive that it prevents u.k. courts from considering the facts of a case in two thousand and twelve he applied for and was granted political asylum at the ecuadorian embassy in london on human rights grounds. i think president correia for the coverage is showing you considering ending granting me political
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asylum fast forward three years later when swedish prosecutors were forced to drop the molestation charge after running out of time to question him in two thousand and sixteen a united nations panel ruled that assad was being arbitrarily detained but britain refused to budge on its stance the next year swedish authorities also dropped their rape investigation but vowed to reopen it if they got access to a staunch meanwhile his relationship with ecuadorian officials in london was deteriorating in twenty eighteen of the accused to songe of violating the terms of their agreement and cut his internet access as on retaliated by threatening legal action against the embassy saying his fundamental rights and freedom were being violated on thursday afternoon british authorities were able to enter the building and arrest him the songes now facing extradition to the u.s. he calls the situation a witch hunt. but this is truly extraordinary development what continues to be an
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extraordinary story but the most important chapter will be written if and when julian assange is extradited to the united states what happens to a staunch there will impact journalism freedom not only in the u.s. my first guest. knight is author of wiki leaks news in the networked era one of the first books to lay out the changing nexus of geopolitics the internet and the media he's also the founding director of the london school of economics international journalism think tank polis i'm happy to welcome to the day this evening charlie beckett's mr beckett joins me tonight from austin texas it's good to have you on the show mr beck and i want to pull up a tweet that you sin on earlier today you said that the most serious issue here is a songe being extradited to the u.s. and facing prosecution there why. well because i think
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it's not so much the fate of that particular individual i think it's as you mention that this may have great residence for journalists of freedom will generate because what's only trial if you like was that moment in two thousand and ten when there were those extraordinary revelations about. american military policy in afghanistan in iraq and everyone thought. times the step the guardian another very respectable. because aisha's all this was in the public interest to know it was in a sense a classic act of journalism honors. now if that becomes the future and that sets a terrible precedent setting that it sends out a very very bad signal we did in a world where there are all fair terry and leaders from china it's that it's a rusher and beyond it's hacking at the news media trying to use.
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to climb terrible thief expressions so it's a terrible message to cross where you speak of you know authoritarianism the trumpet ministration and it's just this department with the attorney general where your bar i mean they are not some people would say first in line when it comes to protecting the first amendment of the us constitution do you see the the rights of a free press being threatened if and when a songe goes on trial in the us. i think it's one aspect of it i mean in the american context where i am at the moment there is this whole debate about what donald trump is delayed by attacking the media in general and i think this i don't see this is donald trump trying to attract the sun to weaken leaks directly because at one point it was terribly convenient and this is the problem this is why
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it's so cool that the rule of law exists and why it in america the first amendment is respected and because that's the defense it's not whether the president should be allowed to sit so you can you know to to your journalism it's that unison and the right it's really important right that journalists sometimes to break it will even separate the law or if it's in the wider public interest and that's kind of a paradox which you know the courts are there to try and tussle out president trump was asked today about the arrest of julian a songe i'd like for you to take a listen to what he said and also to the statements that he gave about wiki leaks when he was running for the white house take a listen it's been amazing what's coming out on wiki leaks and by the way wiki leaks just came out with lots of really unbelievable things so we kill leaks
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document showing. how the media conspires and collaborates i almost delayed this speech by about two hours it's so interesting i know nothing about where he leaks it's not my thing. i mean mr breckon when you you hear that how do you interpret that all of a sudden the u.s. president knows nothing about wiki leaks. well i think all politicians. love journalistic freedom till it's turned on on them. so i don't think it's entirely surprising and i think donald trump has quite clearly does have a strategy of sometimes cozying up to media and it's to his advantage to sort out city continually with fox news overseas well he wants to attack and the whole thing with this songe case at the moment you may well not like him you may disagree
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with some of those revelations in the political impact or only democrats with british or liberals in america were very happy when sons was exposing regimes of the stakes in europe or they didn't like it when he was exposing what hillary clinton was doing and i think and that's obvious songes problem as well now that aids in the last few years become a kind of political act you know he's cozied up city slightly shadowy people and that has come back. to haunt would you agree with me that reporting on this story particularly if the extradition takes place that this is going to be a test for journalists. indeed i think there's a lot of shocking troika going on here in paris n.v. we saw that when we keep leaks that made the original revelations there was a lot of jealousy
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a lot of competitiveness jealousy around germicidal so we could takes you know when it worked well it was a challenge to mainstream journalists said look why you guys not revealing these things why you guys not challenging paragraphs. i think the combination of silence is very unattractive egocentric martyr complex is distasteful and it's easy to attack that but i think this is a moment when journalists have to think about what is really at stake and i'm not saying they should blindly defend somchai but i think they should think seriously about what's at risk here professor charlie beckett joining us tonight from austin texas talking about the stakes involved in the next chapter of the julian a songe saga mr becker we appreciate your insights tonight thank you.
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which night the army in sudan is in control of the country earlier today they ousted and arrested presidential omar al bashir dramatic developments which bring to an end thirty years of all the credit rule in a televised statement the country's defense minister announced a two year long transitional government run by the army he also declared a three month long state of emergency and said that bashir is being held at a secure place in the capital khartoum has seen months of public anti-government protest it remains unclear what protesters will do now that the military has imposed a curfew. to talk about that and more i'm joined here at the big table by that of a bird she's an expert on east africa at the german institute for international and security affairs it's good to have you back on the show omar al bashir is gone but this is not the real regime change that protesters were hoping for is it you know
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it's not that protesters were clearly hoping for a civilian government not a military government that the backing of the military and what they see right now is basically the same same old on the people the old structure and being in place minus bashir so nothing really substantially has changed and i think this is what we will see for the next couple of days that they want to stay and continue district curfew that's now in effect i'm wondering are we likely to see more protests if we have it of the authorities right now clamping down the way they are i think they will test the authorities i think they will continue the the protests for sure and then see if really either the army and the government forces. will enforce the fourth year or if they will be pushed towards opening up this transitional government for the next two years and what about the way you. the world sees this the european union have given him money the united states has done
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business with them in terms of fighting terror. what are they thinking tonight i'm going to show that nobody is really crying tears for bashir. and i think what they saw and what they still see in sudan is of course you know a country that is placed in the middle of africa between the sale and also the red sea is so very strategically located and of course it's a very important country. to keep you know to keep on doing business with sudan will continue and of course those who they call for it is on with on counterterrorism and it was basically more the intelligence service rather than him . his departure will not impact that you think no actually i think it makes things more easy because you know he had the arrest warrant of the i.c.c. on his it and dealing with him of course is you know was was critical and impossible for the west in countries because they couldn't see an example though of
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leaders you know there were lots of reports recently about abuses of human rights in sudan and yet the european union the u.s. government you know they have worked with him to see an example of the west's critics would say hypocrisy we preach one thing but we do business with leaders who do something very different well i think it's much more well the mixed i would say because of course there is the arrest warrant and of course you know there is there's a lot of critique and a lot of well known dealings with him for example germany had no development corporation so it's not like that there was a lot of money flowing into his properties from from germany from germany are from western countries but of course one would have wished that upholding the rule of law and human rights or is more strictly you would have would have set the tone early on and of course that's also some. thing that i think is necessary now would
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be the transitional government with the military trying to keep to keep pushing on you know human rights and the rule of law rather than having stability is what is going to happen to president bashir no. well a couple of scenarios he could just stay there if the military stays in power he could to stay there he could go to a friendly country. as well then gulf states there are a couple of countries of players who are not signatories to the rome statute might you know offer him refuge. but i think it's early too early because we still don't know how things are transforming if there's a clampdown on the demonstrations that could escalate massively sudan and then this would potentially also determine his fate so i don't see him and we are in prison and you don't you don't send him you don't see him getting up you know a trial in the hague. not now it really depends on who will be in
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the government in sudan and. if it's the military they don't seem to find it is important to push him and and do you see after all that has happened do you really see all of this leading up to real change in sudan is there a reason to think that things will get better yes i think because the masses the huge huge number of young people of women of everybody who is on the street and who will not stop demanding for real change and also i think in terms of the capacity that's of these now you know civil society is strong they do have good people who could take over as i am still hopeful and that's a favor as always we appreciate your insights thank you thank you very much. in india voting is under way in the biggest parliamentary election the world has ever seen nearly nine hundred million indians are eligible to cast their ballots
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voting will take place in seven phases across different regions from now until the nineteenth of may a mammoth one million polling stations are being set up to reach even the most remote areas of the election is said to be closely contested the party of the incumbent prime minister narendra modi versus the opposition party which until landslide win five years ago had governed india since independence. for many in india the elections are a referendum on this man prime minister narendra modi. modi came to power in two thousand and fourteen after a landslide victory but this time around things might not be as clear cut. although polls suggest the fiercely nationalist modi will hold on to the premiership the main opposition party led by rahul gandhi is in the ascendancy.
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after a disastrous general election result five years ago gandhi's congress party was jubilant recently after winning back three key states from modi's b j p in regional elections. and they have promised to prioritise the single biggest issue for voters the lack of jobs there schmidt in this country in every state young people are searching for jobs wherever you go and ask a young person what they're doing they reply i'm not doing anything that they'll get there quickly got there. it's a giant challenge while the indian economy has gathered strength under modi it has struggled to generate enough jobs especially for the country's young people. more than half of indians are aged twenty five or under and some twelve million enter the workforce each year. the recent spike in tensions between india and pakistan in kashmir however has put another issue on the agenda national
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security and that may well play into the hands of her andhra modi and his hindu nationalists. the prime minister has started himself as the watchman protecting his country by being strong on defense tough on camera in the wrong got to be bliss in the bridge got down on the seas on your india these. dark places returned the damage done by. rebuilding theirs. if the pool of nationalism proves strong enough in the senate action supporters may well be celebrating come the twenty third of may. and for some analysis on this election i'm joined by. who has worked with both the indian government and at the united nations he's currently an analyst specializing in public private cooperation he joins us tonight from london of course welcome to the day i have judged your age correctly you are part of the millennial is much like
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a significant number of india's population you're smiling i think i did a good job there eighty five million dollars first time voters are facing record unemployment in india how can this not hurt modi and his party at the ballot box. yeah i think you hit the nail right on the head i mean india is a very very young country and nine hundred million people who are eligible to vote this year almost the combined population of america and europe about eighty five million people offer i'm full to sixteen million of who are actually about eighteen to nineteen years old. but i think before we go into the unemployment like we need to ask who the indian voter young indian voter is and what they care about. the young indian voter is someone who is competent and progressive and what they care about most is is jobs and economic development you know unemployment has reached
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the highest in the past forty five years and when educating young people off to compromise promising career so what does it mean been for modi and his party does election i mean what can they lay out on the table and say this is why you should vote for us to spite record unemployment. well that's why i see everything getting quite. everything going again because on the economic front the current government sort of five year performance on the issue is is inconsistent and incoherent that way you know the g.s.t. which is that which was meant to turn in the federal system into a single market should a new era of business some certainty and the monetize ation kind of policies that he made a crack on that money and disrupted a home that. it contributed to a slow growth and sort of propaganda on that issue really has to feed it inhaling
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india has a right to get out a lot of people young people within the country still believe. writing economy. is the unemployment statistics speak for themselves and i think the government just . declaring employment statistics as well. what about india's place in the world with a backdrop of distill lection i mean that pakistan and china they could become huge headaches for india how has the how has this place in the world changed in just the last five years. i think sort of. to keep a balance. modi has definitely put india on the sort of just his political stamina of meeting with world leaders and brokering deals across the was put on the map and it has changed our relations with pakistan and with china but i do think.
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india at least in the world has also become the main rhetorical of this election. and this is a real threat to this election you know sadly social economic realities of the nation have taken a complete back under the eclipse of national security and the impact of polarizing rhetorical agrarian discraft they have been completely shunned for national security just go. which which might even. and may even be an. out of time but we appreciate you joining us tonight and giving us your insights valuable insights as this election gets underway in london thank you. thank you well the day is nearly done the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at news you can follow me abroad go off t.v. and don't forget to use our hash tag day and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day to see even if.
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